Panel Project HaMidgam conducted a poll of 704 people with a margin of error of 4.1% that was broadcast by Channel 13 on November 10 2019.
Current Knesset seats in [brackets]
35 [33] Blue & White (Gantz)
34 [32] Likud (Netanyahu)
13 [13] The Joint List – Hadash-Taal-Raam-Balad (Odeh)
09 [08] Yisrael Beitenu (Lieberman)
06 [09] Shas (Deri)
06 [07] United Torah Judaism (Litzman)
05 [06] Labor (A.Peretz)
04 [05] Democratic Union (Horowitz)
04 [04] Bayit Yehudi-National Union (R.Petetz)
04 [03] HaYamin HeHadash (Bennett)
Under 3.25% Electoral Threshold
00 [–-] Otzma (Ben Gvir)
Phase 2 Recommendations:
57 [54/57] Center-Left-Arab Bloc (Nominated Gantz in Phase 2)
54 [55] Right-Religious Bloc (Nominated Netanyahu in Phase 2)
09 [08/11] Pushing Unity Government (Did not nominate)
*Balad which was part of the Joint List withdrew the recommendations of their 3 MKs.
Additional Questions:
If there was a straight up vote for Prime Minister who would you vote for?
40% Netanyahu, 37% Gantz, 23% Don’t know
Who is to blame if there is another election?
41% Netanyahu, 31% Lieberman, 15% Don’t know, 7% Gantz, 6% None
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Let the idiocy continue unabated!
Maybe when there are 5th or 6th elections, people who currently vote for Lieberman will finally decide that they have to vote for either the right or the left in order to stop this stupidity.
Or maybe people voting for the right or the left should vote for Lieberman to force a coalition that will not include the orthodox or the anti-zionists to stop the stupidity of having religion mixed with state, and not include in the government people who want to destroy it.
A few issues with your comment/s
1) A few more people voting for Lieberman will not change the hatred that the left/center has for Netanyahu, so there still wouldn’t be a government.
2) There are no Hareidi Anti-Zionists in the Knesset, they don’t vote. There are non-zionists (see https://hamodia.com/2019/03/26/the-essence-of-israel/) but there’s nothing wrong with that.
3) It might be “stupid” to mix religion with state, but as long as Israel is considered a “Country for Jews”, which was from it’s formation until now, you MUST mix the two.
I do agree with you on the last one though. Arabs should have to swear loyalty to the country before being able to run for Knesset.
Moe, answering:
1) Sure, for that move from other parties to Lieberman to work perhaps they’d need a lot more votes. Though Lieberman voters seem to be very against both hareidi and arabs in the government, and there is no possible way that a move from Lieberman to either Likud or B&W would lead to a government without those.
2)The anti-zionists I refered to where the Arab parties. Maybe a “respectively” would have helped make the meaning of that part clearer: 1) orthodox in government -> too much power of religion over the state; 2) people who want to destroy the state (arab members of knesset) -> anti-zionists. The orthodox parties in government wouldn’t want to destroy the country, of course, they get too much money and power out of it (which was how Ben Gurion got the orthodox to accept the new country)
3) It can be a country for the Jews without being a country for the Orthodox Jews.
So the Shas and UTJ voters went over to Gantz and Lieberman, one would hope that Panel Project HaMidgam were actually embarrassed to publish these results
@Mark
So basically, even though for the last 71 years, Israel has somehow turned into a superpower, both economically and militarily, with all sides somehow making it work out, you think that things should now be different. Now, we should expel (or at least not give basic rights, such as the right to vote,) 1 million Orthodox Jews and 1.5 million Arabs from the country in order so that the gridlock should be solved and a government should be able to be made…
Besides for going against the very founding of the state, which was a state of it’s citizens, kicking out 30% of the country is never a great idea…
All Ganz or Netanyahu needs are a few more seats one way or the other, if Lieberman doesn’t pass the threshold in the next election, the problem will be solved…
Where did you see me asking to expel or remove their rights to vote? If you’re reading that from my post, do you also understand from mmedved123’s post that Lieberman voters should be expelled from the country? Just because I think a party shouldn’t be in the government doesn’t mean I think whoever vote for it should be murdered (well, not always anyway 😀 ).
In any case, some terrorist supporters have lost the right to run for the Knesset (as in the case of Kahane’s party), and it’s clear some Arab MKs could fit into that description.
From polls, including the latest posted in this blog (link below), more Israelis want a unity government than either a left- or right-wing governments. That’s what the citizens want, and the only party that’s setting that as their ultimate goal is YB.
https://knessetjeremy.com/2019/11/15/5th-poll-of-possible-3rd-election-blue-white-33-likud-31-joint-list-13-shas-10-yisrael-beitenu-9-utj-7/
As for your belief that if Lieberman doesn’t pass the threshold the problem would be solved, how exactly? If the right gets 5 of his 8 votes, they’re still short of 61. And even if all 8 went to the left, it would still have a hard time making a government, having to depend on the Joint List. What government do you think would be stable in such a scenario?
If no one voted for Lieberman, and his votes get split between left and right, a coalition (most probably a Netanyahu-lead one) can be knocked together. This is not something new, it happened quite a few times before. Netanyahu can get 2-3 right-wing-leaning Kahol-Lavan members with ministerial position bribes.
What hasn’t ever happened before was an idiot party leader of a significant-number-fraction who said no matter what he’s not joining a right-wing or a left-wing coalition.
As I said above in the initial post, this may get resolved after 5th or 6th election when people get tired of Lieberman circus.
You’re still ignoring the most important point, that 40% of the population WANT that. And, most likely, at least 70-80% prefer a Likud-KL coatilion to either a Likud-Orthodox or a KL-Arab coalitions.
This is very difficult to achieve, perhaps impossible, but it’s what the people want, and “im tirtzu, ein zo agada” 🙂 . Of course, people won’t vote for Lieberman in droves because they don’t want him as PM, and want to give more bargaining power to their candidate PM of choice (Bibi or Gantz).
Are you saying that politicians who try to give to the voters what they want are idiot? Bibi and Gantz should both realize that a 3rd election (and probably a 4th) would result in the same situation, and lower their demands. I won’t make predictions for after that, perhaps a Bibi conviction would open his spot for a less demanding Likud leader – alternatively, Likud could crumble, who knows?
Finally, just because the government has been like this for 30 years doesn’t mean it shouldn’t change. Coalitions between the main right and left parties have happened before.
So they can vote but not be in the government? What is this South Africa Apartheid?
Mmed wrote that it’s idiocy to vote for Lieberman, not that they can’t…
We all know the Bagatz needs to prove that we love arabs so they can’t prevent even terrorist supporters from running.
The polls can say whatever they want. I doesn’t mean all other parties should close up shop. Israel is a Democracy, not a gangster state where the mob majority foists their opinions on the minority.
As Med wrote, Lieberman refuses to sit with arabs and refuses to negotiate with the Orthodox. He could have easily gotten most of his demands and even a ministry position or 2.
You’re still pretending I said things I didn’t… That’s not a healthy way to conduct an argument. Sure they “can” be in the government, but I, along with the majority of the population, would prefer that those minorities did not impose their restrictions on the majority.
You believe the majority shouldn’t impose their opinions on the minority but you are fine with a minority of the population restricting when the majority can take a bus, while getting a free pass from the army. So what does that mean? If the orthodox become 51% of the population, then finally will there be a mixed gender section in the main WW pavillion because they finally would not be allowed to stop the (new) minority from doing what it wants?
The polls are supposed to say what the people want, and the parties should respect that. Of course, at least 2 thirds of the population will oppose any specific party, that doesn’t mean every party should disband. But when you take that to mean that we should have a government that only 30% of the population want, then there’s a problem with your priorities.
Do you really think Shas and UTJ would give up orthodox control over Jewish life (conversions, kashrut, marriages, shabbat,…), draft exemptions and funding, if only Lieberman were to join the government? If so, then I would understand your position that Lieberman should give up on his unity project, but otherwise he is trying to get what most Israelis want (and even what most knesset members would vote for, if not chained to coalition agreements)
I quote your earlier comment:
“3) It can be a country for the Jews without being a country for the Orthodox Jews.”
Israel was founded as a Jewish State for all it’s citizens. You claim you aren’t excluding anyone but as you yourself say, the only way for Ben G. to include the Orthodox was to give them control over certain facets of the new State, such as marriage and Kashrut.
Please tell me how a Jewish state would work if anyone can just say “i feel Jewish” and come right in? Jewish means the Jewish Religion and even Ben G. understood that.
You say that they get a free pass from the army but you ignore the fact that they volunteer for MAD”A and myriads of other organizations at a much higher rate. Ask the police where they are more often called, in a secular area full of crime and drugs or a Hareidi area. The Orthodox are the ones raising all the kids while the secular are prancing off to Europe and ignoring the next generation. The Orthodox are the ones adding a significant moral character to the state and that must not be ignored. The Orthodox have been around since the giving of the Torah and have loyal to G-d for choosing us while being a secular Jew is a new invention. Just look at the Reform and see what is left of them…
No. It cannot be a country for the Jews without being a county for the Orthodox Jews.
It’s weird that you think that the current Orthodox represent the original Judaism from the times of the giving of the Torah. Are you being serious?